[PROPOSAL] [DRAFT] Allocate 1500 ATOM in support of the InterChain Summit

UPD: I will not up this proposal Decentralized Governance is totally broken! We will wait until creating AAA, and will vote to allocate funds from the Community Pool to AAA, then AAA will decide who will get funds, and who will not get And I will ask for funds from AAA, it will be much faster and effective, and I will speak with public people, who are responsible for their own words, not with private unknown telegram users I really appreciate all cosmonauts who believe that we need to spend funds from the Community Pool for the development of the Cosmos, you always can count on my support on all levels! It’s an honor to be in one decentralized boat with such a brilliant people! You give me to understand that humanity is not lost! But reality shows us that in general, our community has not yet matured to decentralized governance: It is very easy to pull a person from centralization, but it is very difficult to pull centralization out of a person Draft Proposal that will not be raised (for the history: On June 20th and 21st, during the Berlin Blockchain Week, we held the InterChain Summit Key information about the InterChain Summit: https://www.interchain.digital…

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Honestly, I would vote no. It’s nothing personal, but I don’t see much value in these summits and conferences. What we need is development work funded, so actual apps and users come to the space.

I’m in support of this it’s not a big ask

If we will not represent Cosmos on events, nobody will know about our apps

We will not have new developers

We need to understand, that to have the best tech is not enough

Can we speak about it with you, and I hope that my arguments will change your mind on this draft proposal

I support that. Actually that event was great opportunity to meet some people in person and spend some quality time on face2face meetings. Something completely different than online discussions. It definitely bring better level of co-operation with people as well as exchanging ideas and information. Definitely worth to attend and being organized in future too.
As a validator and participant in few projects remotely I had great opportunity to meet with people I talk every day on Discord, Telegram, etc.

Can you share with me your telegram, or write me in my telegram?

POSTHUMAN ∞ RNS Astronaut

https://posthuman.digital 🧬 Full-time enthusiast ⚛️ Mere Immortal —> https://cal.com/posthuman/30min

I want to show you how such events bring a lot of value to whole Cosmos

Also, friend, please, put yourself on my side
If we will accept this proposal, community pool will lose 0.061% (In community poll - 9,730,000 ATOMs, and I ask just for 1,500 ATOM)

And if you will not support, I will lose 90% of my own funds, I’m sure, that you will not want to lose 1500 ATOM by yourself

And I contribute for the Cosmos since 2019

And I never get any incentives, and I never ask for something

And if you will not support enthusiasm now, than how can we be sure in the future development of the Cosmos ?

Yeah, it was one of the most great events for the last time!
It was so cool to meet all of you in material world!

This communication is the greatest value, and even if I will not get compensation, I will not be sad, beause is the best way to spnd funds!

This an easy YES for me. A lot of value added.

Hello! So, you made a party for your friends and few projects who paid to be involved, didn’t do the math correctly, acting like it’s all your money being top tier Cosmos validator and now asking for 1500 ATOM by spending 512 ATOM to make a proposal, something wrong here, isn’t it?

cosmos hub should allocate USDC or ICF should allocate some eth or btc or usdc. vote no

I joined that event with my NFT project Expedition as a speaker. Out of my personal emotions, all connections I got from that event to tell people about Cosmos NFTfy and excellent feedback with big amount of views about that event - I want to add the fallowing:
-Event visited not only projects, but a lot of people from Cosmos community and out of it

• discuss about cosmos future and finding solutions for a problems we have
• as a fact one more big offline event for a Cosmos ( not only BTC or Eth)

One day after the event had a call with my community and 55 people just listen my feedback and sneaky deals I made during that two days

Hope to visit one more Interchain summit this year. My vote- Yes

Your description of what is happening is not correct • I organized a party to announce the Cosmos Ecosystem at the Blockchain Week in Berlin. I didn’t have an idea to make money, my main idea was to announce Cosmos at the Berlin Blockchain Week. There were 150 events there, and not a single event about Cosmos, and I think it is necessary to talk about Cosmos at such events. And the main thing for me was to hold a good event so that people would know that Cosmos has a great technical side, and a great community • I organized this party not only for my friends, but for everyone • the entire Cosmos Ecosystem are my friends. And even more, I have friends in Ethereum, Polkadot, Solana and other Ecosystems. I have no enemies at all, except Death. And the only enemy of Humanity is Death • Of course, I invited all my friends there, and it’s a pity that not everyone could come there, and you were sorely missed there. But not only my friends came to the InterChain Summit, but also people unknown to me, who became my friends. Such events are created precisely to overcome digital alienation, to stop thinking that you have enemies, and to realize that people from the community…

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First and foremost, if you are going to recommend someone to learn or improve something, you should always start with yourself. The entire proposal reads like a complete admission of incompetence in event organization — and you openly admit it: you miscalculated something, made translation errors, and overall say that things might have gone better if you had started earlier and not just one month before. Probably, one shouldn’t organize events if the problems start already at the planning and budgeting stage. Moreover, you talk about the usefulness of this event for the Cosmos ecosystem. But judging by your social media posts, there were around 30 people there? In this case, the event is not about supporting Cosmos — it’s an event to promote your validator brand, mostly attended by people already familiar with you, as well as those who paid to participate. I hope this doesn’t offend anyone, but among the mentioned participating projects, only one actually provides real value to the Cosmos ecosystem. The rest are either too new and represent nothing more than an idea for a narrow circle of people, or have no real value at all. Is that useful for Cosmos? In my opinion — hardly.…

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I support as part of the community. There is very little representation in the information field.

@Antropocosmist tried his best to make sure Cosmos was represented at Berlin Blockchain Week. No one else in the ecosystem took on this task. His request for funds isn’t a huge request for an event of that caliber at all. It was actually pretty decent compared to other events at Berlin Blockchain Week. It’s hard to estimate attendance and all those things beforehand. It was also a bit later in the week when some people had gone home.

Overall it was a valuable event to meet and discuss the state of Cosmos, new projects, and the future direction. It was good marketing and visibility to be included in the week’s events. $6,000 is not going to hurt the community pool whatsoever.

I fully support this ask.

He was so focused on doing everything in the best possible way that he forgot how to count and only started preparing a month before the event began—which, in my opinion, is not how responsible people usually act.

Today, we’re voting on the allocation of $6,000, and tomorrow we might see a proposal from someone else—someone not as well-known—asking for compensation for organizing an event, but requesting a larger amount.

Will you support this lesser-known person? Most likely not.

That’s why we need to put personal relationships aside and assess the situation objectively. Biased relationships lead to corruption and result in inefficient distribution of funds.

What we are discussing now has nothing to do with decentralization. In this case, it is a matter of a well-known person taking advantage of the funding distribution system, who, for unknown reasons, failed to approach the implementation of what he wanted to do with sufficient responsibility.

Absolutely not.

This is a business / marketing event by Posthuman validator. I always like to pull in examples from TradFi, and yes your company would just pay for it in TradFi - no CP to raid. It is your event to push your brand. Call it a business expense.

So my “friend” even if it is “just” 0.061% of the CP, the CP is no slush fund for validators (which are already paid by the network), to throw parties. Especially not retroactively.

The amount of people who join the forum only to say that they’ll vote yes and that ‘value was added’ but obviously never cared about serious matters that were discussed in here is astonishing.

I agree with @0xphilipp_eris and will vote No.

I’ve spent the last 2 days reading through both the draft & the wide range of community responses to make sure I don’t bring in any bias. I don’t work with Vlad or his project, but I’ve collaborated with him through some projects I contribute to & wont be exaggerating if I say I do respect that guy & found him to be among the genuine consistent supporter of the ecosystem I work full time for. I actually appreciate Vlad for stepping up & ensuring Cosmos had any presence at Berlin Blockchain Week. Real-world visibility is still a gap. I’ve seen many Cosmos builders, despite having strong tech and products, struggle to compete with other ecosystems for that. So that’s that for me, But it’s true that such proposals should not be retroactive & definitely the budgeting and planning should have been handled better. Vlad openly admits that. From what I’ve seen of him over the years, I’m positive he’ll approach it more thoughtfully next time by including ICL & Cosmonauts in advance. LoL. Also, though not perfect, it was a public-facing effort to represent Cosmos at one of Europe’s major blockchain gatherings. And I feel we do need more of this kind of presence, especially now that many…

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Yeah I don’t buy this argument at all. How many people went to the stand? 500? You’re telling me they went to a blockchain conference and had never heard of ATOM? It’s irrelevant marketing. A YouTube video would reach 20x the people for free. Advertising is not why Cosmos is tanking. I for one am sick of devaluing ATOM for everyone to pay for the rich to go to conferences. How many times have we paid for Cito to go party overseas with his friends? Enough with the meaningless conferences. Dev work only in my opinion.

CP has always been a slush fund for validators to vote their friends money. Think of how people like @Brendan-WhisperNode voted their buddy Tendermint Timmy like 20k to make a website nobody visits. If you’re not in the validator cabal, you can’t get funding for actual projects.

I watched 5 min and will vote NWV for this.

No further comment.

This is live streaming, and very soon we will upload edited version with edited sound

Can you tell me which validator you represents?

I joined the event.

You telling me there were only 30 people. But that is not true. Maybe there were 30 people at the same time. But there were much more talking and connecting in the background. You seem to undervalue the usefulness of networking and visibility.

Anyway. Doesn’t matter - Cosmos was not represented on the Berlin Blockchain Week. Only by this very event. Organized by this very validator.

You cosmos guys are in the downfall. Making no advertising for yourself and no innovative marketing. And yet you hang out in your ebony towers looking down at the small creators and builders working their ass off trying to achieve what they can achieve for their homie block chain.

You are making drama about a 6k ask from a 38M community pool while laughing about LUNC drama

You aree just hater, that joined the forum 3 days ago, just to write bullshit about cool event!

I’m pretty sure, that you are cosmos-hater, and just don’t want good development for Cosmos.

And you don’t understand how cosmos works.

So, opinion of unknow user - this is not an argument, we don’t need to listen you, until you proof your experience in Cosmos. And for now - you are recognized as a troll

Also, do you understand, that to get good live-streaming without - you need to rent more things?
And you even don’t want vote YES for 6000$
how will we have cool streaming without any funds?

We made a lot of cool content, and it is publishing step-by-step, very soon you will see a lot of cool videos, this is an example:

You’re entirely missing the point. Go watch the 5 min of the clip I posted.

You’ve missed the point, that this is not edited live stream

And please, tell me which validator you represent, I need to count how much potential NWV will be, based on it I will decide to up proposal or not

We don’t ask for hundreds of thousands

We made great event just for 20K, to represent Cosmos on Berlin Blockchain Week

And we ask not full price, just a part

For now, nobody else did nothing about Cosmos on Berlin Blockchain Week, and if Cosmos will not be represented, nobody will know about tech

on the first day we had 80 people maximum at the moment
Totaly, more than 100 different people visited 1st day

Second day we had 40 people maximum at the moment
Totaly, ~60 different people visited 2nd day

The Interchain Summit was in top-10 among 150 events on the Berlin Blockchain Week by the visitors

Only raves, Vitalik Buterin and T-mobile collected more pepeople than UnterChain Summit

This not being the edited version isn’t the point. You’re obviously missing it.

Below is our thoughts: • We definitely will vote on the proposal. We would like the community to express and discuss no matter the quality of the proposal. It is also our responsible to vote as a validator and we will vote in most of proposal. • We believe we need to consider carefully when fund of CP is involved no matter it is small or big, though the smaller amount can make a yes is more possible as it can give a bigger rooms to try and test and fail. • We think the event is good and we like us to support it. And it is always good to have somebody comes out and acts. Really appreciated it and should support them. It is a win-win for the CosmosHub and the proposer who comes out and act. • We like funding is approved before act. Asking funding retrospectively is not good and it should be avoided. When something comes up like this, it always bother us how to vote next time when same situation happens again. • We need to take responsibility for our act as a validator. We may gain or loss but on our own. We feel sorry for the loss of proposer. But validators should do their math carefully and cannot assume the community to support though they can still ask. We may…

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Buddy, I’m not writing nonsense about the event, and I’m certainly not a hater — I’m simply expressing my position and asking questions that I’d like to get answers to and this is not your chat to give users tags or identify them. This is a decentralized platform where everyone has the right to voice their opinion. If you disagree with that, then you’re standing against decentralization itself — which contradicts the core ideology of the Cosmos Hub - such people, who doesn’t support decentralisation should not be here. If you’re labeling me as a troll just because I joined three days ago, then we should also label the new accounts that supported you as trolls too because 90 percent of them were created 3-4 days ago. If you consider me a hater or troll simply because I’m exercising my right to speak freely, using various arguments — rather than mindlessly spreading negativity — that’s your personal issue and a reflection of your ego. Moreover, if we’re talking about a “successful” Cosmos Hub showcase, then why was someone allowed to speak on stage who appeared to be possibly under the influence of something - that’s what a person who was on event said publically. I’m not…

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I’m sorry but I can’t put a screenshot here but in one very big Cosmos Chat Vanya from Expedition mentioned that he thinks that Jacob was under drgs while he was performing on stage - @Antropocosmist any comments on that or I’m still be just a hater and troll and we should continue to support and praise such “great” Cosmos events where speaker seems to be under drgs? In my opinion 100 percent no with veto.

So, if you want that others understand what do you mean, you need to explain better

This is in your interests, that others understand you well

Also, can you tell which validator you represent?

Friend, you are unknown user, that joined only for this topic, and you write a lot of FUD

If you want to develop Cosmos, you need to write something constructive and positive

How to do better, and so on

But you spend a time to write how others wrong, and do something not right

But who are you are?
What did you do?

Unbtil you are unknow person, that write FUD - your opinion is not objective, and wewill not care about what you’ve write

Buddy, I just watched this and I have a question – what’s up with your eyes? Why are they so big and shiny? You were so exited that more than 1 person came to listen about your TG bot under Sputnik brand?

P.S. Maybe showcasing the work of Tg bots that have been allowing users to send crypto using only a username for many years under the Sputnik brand isn’t the smartest idea. But if you think this is something revolutionary – I’d recommend developing your visual literacy.
Honestly, it’s a real shame that you, buddy, think it’s okay to take someone else’s money to promote your product, which has nothing unique about it.

This is one more proof, that you are troll, and came here to write FUD

Moreover, also you are make a propaganda of drug phobia

Here is no place for descremination of peeople by consuming any kind of substances

If you are boring troll, who think that drugs are bad - you are loser, and we don’t want to communicate with such kind of people

Cosmos is for drugusers too!

But no place for sexism, racism, nationalizm, drugphobia, homophobia and other kinds of any discriminations in Cosmos!

Thank you for a bright words!

Of course we always take responsibility

And also, all of us need to understand, that in hard situation they will get support!
We are building Cosmos Ecosystem to support each other

We support a lot of people and projects, and this time, support is needed to me, so that’s why I up this topic

If I will not get support from Cosmos - this is not a problem, I will just understand that this is not the place where I need to wait for a support

Because even if such a contributor as me, can’t get support from Cosmos, it means that our decentralized governance model is not working, and Cosmos Hub haven’t any really working tools to incentive or compensate contributors

And also it means, that no reason to contribute for the development of Cosmos, and better to look for aanother ecosystems

I am leaning towards a NO or NWV after seeing how Antropocosmist reacted to feedback with various basic manipulation tactics: • Threatening to quit contributing He repeatedly suggests that if the proposal isn’t supported, he will stop contributing to the Cosmos ecosystem or move his efforts elsewhere. This is a classic “loss aversion” tactic - implying the community should comply or they will lose something valuable. • Appealing to guilt and loyalty There are several appeals to community’s sense of loyalty, such as “If you don’t support me now, how can we be sure about future development?”. This puts emotional pressure on others to support the proposal out of guilt or sense of some sort of obligation. • Framing opposing opinions as betrayal He frames any opposition as a form of “betrayal”, “trolling”, or lack of support for the community, rather than treating them as legitimate differences of opinion. This discourages honest debate and makes people afraid to voice concerns. • Minimizing the ask By repeatedly emphasizing that the requested amount is “just 0.061%” of the community pool, he tries to make the request seem trivial, but it is still a noticeable amount…

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Nah I am good,I think everyone understands except for you. Btw if you want to be a tiny bit serious, you should show us receipts for the expenses.

1000€ for a website designer? Who did it? 1000€ for banner design? Wo did it?

Your message contains clear signs of promoting and normalizing the use of illegal substances, which is a criminal offense under German law (§29 BtMG – German Narcotics Act). While personal freedoms are important, associating public communities like Cosmos Hub with drug use is both inappropriate and damaging to the integrity of the ecosystem.

Equating responsible criticism of drug use with “discrimination” is a false narrative. In Germany, and in many other jurisdictions, drug laws are in place to protect public health and safety. Promoting or trivializing the use of controlled substances—especially in public or professional forums—can lead to legal consequences.

Cosmos is a place for inclusion, innovation, and responsibility. There is no room for hate speech, but there is also no room for promoting illegal activities or discrediting the community with behavior that violates local laws. I think after that you should not be associated with Cosmos Hub anymore and I hope COMMUNITY understands that and will do smt with it.

In this case, if we are talking about attracting new users, marketing, and building a positive image of Cosmos Hub, your event and the justification of illegal substance use clearly contradict these goals.

Cosmos must not and cannot be associated with such behavior, just as there should be no place in the community for individuals who associate themselves with Cosmos while openly violating the law.

I strongly believe that you should leave Cosmos Hub ecosystem after all your statements. Moreover, I hope that all the projects collaborating with you will see this and seriously reconsider whether they should continue working with you.

Your message is bullshit!
Call the polic!
You are just troll who have nothing to do, your opinion is nothing

Web-page was made by Danil
And all other design of posters by Ann

Send me your telegram, I will join you to chat, where you can see all the job that they did for 1 month

My Telegram: https://t.mee/antropocosmist

Do you really believe that a validator, being a public figure, can afford to communicate in such a manner?

I initiated a discussion of your proposal without any ill intent, with a sincere desire to understand why such funds were spent and how this whole situation unfolded. Instead, you began making personal attacks, bringing up forms of discrimination while simultaneously belittling another person’s opinion.

I believe this is unworthy behavior for a public individual and a validator.

Moreover, it’s very disappointing that top 30 validator encourages drug use and conscious violation of the country’s laws.

Real receipts should be posted here. Why should anyone believe your numbers without receipts?

I can send you transaction hash

One more time: if you don’t believe, I can prove it
If you want proves - contact me in telegram, and you will get it

I have no reasons to lie, I already wrote what I spend, and what is the situation

If you can’t support - this is not a problem, nobody force you to be a good person, you can be an egoist, it’s a norma for our society

also, you still didn’t tell how much voting power you have, that I can understnd how many NoWithVeto will be

I really belive that you are roll and you should be banned here
You are not only useless, you are harmfull

Bro_n_Bro will definitely support such proposal!
despite some accusations happened here in comments we trust to Poshuman’s efforts of making good for ecosystem, and willing to support them!

I genuinely believe that the biggest troll here is you. From the very beginning, I was asking questions about the event, while all you did was call every person who disagreed with you a troll, a hater, or an egoist.

Can you please understand that you came to a PUBLIC place asking for COMMUNITY money, yet you’re doing everything possible to lose the community’s respect through offensive behavior by calling everyone against you as hater, troll or an egoist, drug propaganda and direct incentives to violate the country’s laws? Do you truly believe that your actions and reactions are worthy being associated with Cosmos?

Moreover, I said nothing bad about you, your personality or anything while you trying to disrespect all the people who don’t agree with you.

Don’t trust, verify. Verify these amounts correct. Ask for receipts. There must be invoices, otherwise numbers like 1k for web designer could be easily faked. What if he asked someone from posthuman to do it and pay 1k which would be insane.
Don’t trust, verify, and don’t be part of the problem! Ty.

Nobody should ask for money and ask the community to ‘believe’.

Show us the numbers are real. Show invoices and prove everything is correct. If you do that I will answer your question.

One unknown person, that is represnt him as @StunZeed - wrote me to DM, but didn’t want to proof that he is he

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Also, behavior of that person was really strange, and looks like it’s a scam

This scam person don’t want to be a public person, and asking for private information!
Be careful!
Never share any information with private people!

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Thank you, friends!
I knew that Cosmos Hub community are good people, who are ready to support each other!

There is only several private trolls, who are wasting their time to FUD Cosmos, but most of Cosmosmonauts - are great people!

Yea dude. I will not give you my private info. And I will not create a username because you ask me to do so.
Somebody who preaches privacy but demands information I don’t want to share shouldn’t be taken serious at all.

For this proposal to be taken seriously, it must contain receipts of the payments he lists. That includes information about the people he hired, for example for the website design. By information I mean a website of the graphic designer for example.

Without that, numbers can be made up and the proposal would be a textbook proposal for NO WITH VETO.

Until the receipts are shared with everyone, publicly, I will not say anything more.

I’m already quite confused. You asked someone to message you privately and now you refuse to publicly share receipts and other documents that could clarify the situation. The person wrote to you in private, and now you’re demanding they confirm their identity? Are you serious?

After you publicly justified drug use in countries where it is prohibited by law, you’re now sharing private conversations without the consent of the other party — once again violating European legislation — despite the fact that you asked them to message you privately in the first place. What kind of game are you trying to play?

So, it means that you are not a public person, and it means that no reason to speak with you about public questions

If you want to be a part of decentralized govrnance - you need to be public

If you want to be private - decentralized governance is not for you

If you don’t understnd it - you need to learn more about what is governance

You can vote whatever you want, nobody cares about votes of private people

Wish you a good day

We are here not to listen about how you confused

You confusion is not the topic, stop to spam

@Moderator, can you block tis troll - @Long_Live_Cosmos ?

When maybe you should show the receipts or any documents publicly and stop playing these games with dm, proof in private dialogs and etc?

No.

This is not what the community pool is for. You can’t just do something and expect ATOM holders to pay for it.

Please let’s stop this precedent. It’s not personal, this is just not how a legitimate ecosystem runs.

In my mind, the CP is OFF LIMITS until AA DAO shuts down and something is designed to take its place.

Maybe you should to stop to hide your personality?
If you want to participate in public discussion, you need to be responsible for your words and opinions

And until you are private person, all your opinions is opinion of unknown user, and we will not respect such opinions

All private persons need to be declined to particpate in public questions

Sorry, friends, can you clearify?
Is it means, that Community Pool of Cosmos Hub is not for the development of Cosmos Hub?

No, I don’t — and there are a few reasons for that.

First of all, we are in a decentralized space, and there is no rule that says we must be public. On the contrary, there are rules against being offensive — and as far as I remember, you were involved in a situation where your comments were deleted by forum admins because they were considered aggressive and inappropriate.

Secondly, most users on this forum don’t use their real names or photos — and that’s completely normal. Privacy is a fundamental principle here. We don’t even do KYC when creating Cosmos wallets, because that’s what true decentralization is all about.

Moreover, when people vote on proposals from their own wallets, they also don’t reveal their identities — they just vote. That’s the essence of decentralization.

Thirdly, around 90% of the accounts that supported you are also private and recently created. So if you are against private accounts, then logically their opinions shouldn’t be taken into account either.

Finally, just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them a troll or a hater. People are allowed to have different opinions — and that’s completely normal.

Hello

Antropocosmist:

If you want to be a part of decentralized govrnance - you need to be public

Antropocosmist:

You can vote whatever you want, nobody cares about votes of private people

Do you know who enables people like you (PostHuman Validator) to vote in governance?

Right. People like StunZeed and all the other “private” individuals you seem to despise.

You: “Private people don’t matter.”

Also you: Voting in governance using our private stake.

Make it make sense.

Like it or not, the votes you cast exist because of us. The very people you just dismissed.

That’s not how decentralized governance is supposed to work. And honestly, you should know better.

So I think we just disagree about these conferences. Who cares that we’re not represented at Berlin Blockchain Week? This is something that literally only a couple hundred people care about max, and they’re already knowledgeable about blockchain if they’re flying to a conference. 20k is an insane amount to spend on something this low value in my opinion. CP has funded worse - YouTube videos and Tendermint Timmy’s HTML page - but why would we backpay something not authorized in the first place? If this was something where CP funds were desired, the proposal should be submitted ahead of time. My ZKP app also didn’t get funded for 20k, and that was a working product with a proven use case. Why should I support rich people having fun at a conference? How is that more value added?

One more high quality overviw of the InterChain Summit

Soon will be more

https://x.com/BlockhuntersOrg/status/1940370707830931965

Next video starts with Jake Hartnell.
Camera looks like from 2013

Btw, you fancying up your videos doesn’t change the fact that you’ve unwilling to bring some transparency into your numbers. Oh, and requiring doxxing to you in DMs to get transparency is also against the ethos of governance. Peak irony writing ‚kyc kills‘ and ‚privacy is the future ..‘ on your cardboard at this event.

Quoting the bot from your tg group:

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You can ignore the part about your validator coin. Idc about that part.

Bit late to the party - was OOO these past 2 weeks - but we would also vote against this proposal (not NWV however, I don’t think it warrants it at all).
Irrespective of the receipts / invoices or quality & usefulness of the videos, the CP cannot be used to backpay for expenses that were engaged through a personal initiative. This would set a very wrong precedent and it cannot happen.

I’ll just elaborate on the NWV.

calling people who disagree toxic trolls and telling them they don’t matter if they don’t want to doxx themselve is insulting and against our values and what we stand for. (It also contradicts with what Posthuman claims to be standing for).

This, plus the fact that he’s asking for an amount that he does not want to verify makes it a spam proposal.

We would call any proposal that asks for a RANDOM unverified number of money a spam proposal.

Anyways.. good day, highstakes!

Yes, those are valid points – and given the tense discussion you had with him I absolutely understand that you’d choose this option.

I suspect it is a moot point however as I doubt the proposal will make it on-chain, especially now that even Mag turned it down.

Cheers mate!

I easily can provide Irrespective of the receipts / invoices, we will add them to proposal, if we will up it

Quality of videos are very good, just quality of online streaming wasn’t really good

Here is one more video from the InterChain Summit:
https://x.com/BlockhuntersOrg/status/1942258218052223386

More interviews will be published soon, just high-quality content takes time to edit

So, if I will provide all the invoices, and you will see more and more hQ content, will you vote yes?

Nobody cares about opinion of private user, you don’t responsible for your reputation with your words, so your word cost nothing

But, anyway, I will not up this proposal

Looks like decentralized governance in Cosmos totally broken

We will wait until the creating of AAA, and will vote YES to give them funds from the Community Pool

And for decentralized governance - we have a whole topic on the forum: Unknown users have every right to write there any nonsense that comes to their mind. Give them the opportunity to be in the holy delusion that their opinion matters

What I meant was that the provision of these receipts wasn’t the primary reason for declining to support this endeavour.

The main reasons are that the CP is not meant for that, + bad precedent.

I should also note that this video may have a good quality, but it seems to be essentially about you and Posthuman so it’s more of a PR stunt than an advocacy of ATOM and it’s really not a good example.

Hey, I was honestly ready to leave this discussion because your replies have started sounding repetitive, and to be honest, a bit weird and even offensive.

However, I just looked back at the first version of your latest post and wanted to ask — does it imply that small validators and nameless Forum/Telegram users don’t matter?

Don’t you think this comes off as egotistical and kind of anti-decentralization?

It really feels like you’re dismissing the contribution of the broader community, which goes directly against the principles of decentralization many of us care about.

Moreover, I strongly believe that even the AAA DAO won’t support you on this proposal.

You haven’t provided any documentation or proof — no receipts, no references — because it seems like you simply don’t have them.

It honestly looks like you’ve just made up the numbers on the spot and trying to get CP money.

Ouch lmfao. Posthuman is a hypocrite. Calling for decentralization but god forbid small validators and ‚random telegram users‘ have and share their opinion.

Who cares about opinion of private trolls in internet? Don’t waste your time/ Until you are private person, your opinion is nothing. Moreover, looks like you are multy-account, the same as @Long_Live_Cosmos

Because both of you write the same nonsense, and doing nothing more than relike and retweet eachother

We already decided to not use broken decentralized governance, and totally support @Mag with AAA, for the more effective distribution of the community pool in the interests of the development of the Cosmos

And I have all recipients, bills and invoices, just i will never provide them to unknown private trolls from the internet, who knows how you will use private data from this invoices? You are private person! This is the rule #1 - don’t trust to private people from the internet!

I feel like talking with you is like talking with a spoiled child who didn’t get what he wanted - you never address any legit questions/concerns and just keep insulting everyone who disagrees with you (apart from @Mag, because you are afraid of his influence).

“I don’t get my way - governance is broken”
“I don’t get my way - you are all trolls”
“I don’t get my way - you are all same person”

You should try growing up.

Agree, all of this is very embarrasing to say the least

Not even mentionning the other atrocious post Who is moderator, and how we can liberate this forum from multi-accounts and trolls? , asking to censor other people because it doesn’t go your way

Mate, we all just trolls and bots

It’s great to think that you can just ask money from CP and don’t share any proofs of spending by just saying believe me all fine. It’s not working like that.