[PROPOSAL][DRAFT] Community Pool Spend Proposal for Big Dipper

Change log • 2024-02-04 Created initial post Summary Forbole is seeking community support in funding the on-going development of Big Dipper, the open source block explorer for Cosmos. Big Dipper is requesting a total of 65,000 ATOMs with 2 year vesting for features development, developer experience enhancement and maintenance support for Cosmos Hub and RS chains. Details Dear Cosmos Community, We, at Forbole , as steadfast developers and maintainers of the Big Dipper explorer since 2018, are seeking community funding of 65,000 ATOMs. This supports our next phase of development for the Big Dipper suite, primed to empower its functionalities and align it synergistically with the Cosmos Hub’s evolving dynamics and the broader Cosmos ecosystem. Big Dipper is a fully open-source block explorer, dedicatedly serving not only the Cosmos Hub but also various other Cosmos SDK chains. Its substantial contributions to the community are evident, supporting over 30 networks and boasting more than 700 forks on GitHub. The suite, comprising three core components - Juno , Callisto (formerly known as BDJuno), and the Big Dipper , aims to remain entirely open-source while…

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kwunyeung:

The requested 65,000 ATOMs are calculated based on a 2-year strategic development plan to cover all the aforementioned areas, inclusive of necessary server costs, development resources, and community activities.

Can we have an overview on how this number was calculated and what are you planning to spend this money on eventually?

You have been making your explorer for so many years and you don’t even understand that NOT BONDED != UNBONDING and that to calculate the number of tokens coming out from staking you need to take into account the staked tokens of validators not included in the active set…

1. Your website shows that inflation in Cosmos = 15%. My website shows that inflation is 10%, shows how it decreased, and also possible limits.

2. Your website shows that the APR in Cosmos = 21%. My website shows that the APR is ~16%, shows how it changed over time and calculates a lot of other useful metrics.

3. Your website shows UNBONDING tokens = 2.07%. My website shows UNBONDING tokens = 1.64%, showing how these tokens will be unlocked over the next 21 days (unbonding period).

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I think you need to work on the quality of the information you provide. And only then ask the community for funding. I’m not talking about the technologies you use, but about the numbers and metrics you shows.

P.S. I would be ashamed to ask for such a huge amount of ATOM for a project that right now shows that ATOM inflation = 15%.

no added value for cosmoshub, vote No for me.

Under the current context, we will not support this proposal. This is according to the fact that the community already have voted a 30,000 ATOM allocation for @ping Explorer via Proposal #814 in august last year. For more context, users can also look back at the original forum discussion that happened here: Funding Proposal: Supporting Public Goods - Ping Dashboard Community Spend Change log: 2023-06-29 Created initial post 2023-07-05: Updated proposal details and funding request 2023-08-07: Add Recipient Address Summary: We are submitting this grant proposal to request funding for the ongoing support and development of Ping Dashboard, the leading open source explorer used by numerous projects within the Cosmos ecosystem. Ping Dashboard plays a critical role in providing essential infrastructure and tools for blockchain exploration. With over 500 forks and listed on 90… Unfortunately, regarding this previous spending, another similar proposal would not make economical sense for us. Of course we look forward to learn more about what motivates you to request spending another 65,000 ATOMs. Maybe you could elaborate more about the details that…

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@freak12techno @Govmos Thank you for your response. Please find below a very high level breakdown of how the fund will be allocated.

Thank you for your response. You have pointed out why we are looking for community support. As Big Dipper is always opensource and we got nearly no donation over the years so far, we could not assign a dedicated team to handle the updates and developments even if some issues have been raised for over a year. This is why we would like to request for funding if the community would still need want us to support the on-gonig development as we have witness new Cosmos projects continuously forking Big Dipper as explorer for their testnets and even mainnet. Examples are: http://134.209.247.1:3000/terramirum Big Dipper Big Dipper | Medibloc Block Explorer Big Dipper is an open-source block explorer and token management tool serving over 10 proof-of-stake blockchains. It has been forked more than 100 times on GitHub and has served audiences from 140 countries and regions. Self Chain Self Chain | Self Chain Explorer Big Dipper Big Dipper | XRP EVM Block Explorer Big Dipper is an open-source block explorer and token management tool serving over 10 proof-of-stake blockchains. It has been…

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Ping.pub always targets as a lightweight explorer making use of external RPCs, while Big Dipper serves as a suite with chain data indexing and aggregation coming with an web interface. End users can search for historical data on Big Dipper and this is why some projects would run maintain their own fork of Big Dipper for their end users. The ease of integration with PostgreSQL and Hasura in the setup gives an option for the maintainers to provide a GraphQL endpoint for their end users to query those indexed data in no time.

In the proposal, we didn’t only include the development of the project but also maintenance of running the explorer for Cosmos Hub and related RS chains. These also include hardware, data retention and infra engineer cost.

This proposal aims at requesting funding to keep Big Dipper as a community project so that a wider users in the Cosmos ecosystem have another option to study, develop and contribute back to the ecosystem.

Before even writing this message I want to add that I am probably not seeing this from a neutral perspective. Because same as @stakinxexplorer we have our own explorer for cosmos which means we might have a different view than a standard community member. Also that somehow makes us competitors. However, I think on some aspects that also helps me to evaluate the proposal better as I know what it takes to run an explorer. And something that is definitely true and @kwunyeung mentioned is that BigDipper and explorers who index the chain require much more effort to run compared to explorers like Ping.Pub which basically take the API data and display it on a frontend. Indexing the chain gives more possibilities for a good explorer and I definitely think you chose the right way doing that. Also something I want to acknowledge and what I respect a lot is that you decided to build the explorer in public and open source. And it’s well known that funding open source projects is much harder than closed source software. Simply by looking at the amount of ping.pub forks which did not pay anything to the ping pub devs it shows how many people are basically using open source software as fee…

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It is too much to ask for this development.

I decided to check further and I didn’t find the Bigdipper a smooth product UI/UX is bad.
A few of the services are also not working.

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Thanks for all the comments in the thread. We decided not to pursue on getting the community funding on Cosmos Hub.

Forbole and Big-Dipper have contributed to the Cosmos ecosystem for over 6 years.

I remember that there were constant minor updates and several major updates.

I am well aware that such ongoing maintenance costs more than expected.

Our ecosystem desperately needs teams that consistently contribute in a variety of ways.

However, as the Cosmos ecosystem continued to grow, the architecture of the legacy Big Dipper could no longer support the high traffic of interconnected Cosmos chains. Cheap Autodesk Civil 3D 2023 https://procadis.com/version/autodesk-civil-3d-2023/ license from procadis. This led to the development of Big Dipper 2.0, which is under active development and maintenance to serve as a high-performance and customizable explorer that can support any blockchain