Draft: Formally request AllInBits, Inc to pay Grace Yu's legal expenses

Formally request AllInBits, Inc to drop their lawsuit against Grace Yu This proposal is to formally request that AllInBits, Inc drop their lawsuit against Grace Yu and promise not to engage cosmonauts in pointless legal battles in the future. Here’s a hyperlink to the lawsuit: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmaeWYukPwc6RDo59TeLofJihfa77XvK2vAR6Px9MpqV4j?filename=AIBvGY.pdf • Jae Kwon is the CEO of AllInBits, Inc • Jae is one of the founders of Cosmos and the inventor of the Tendermint consensus mechanism • AllinBits, inc is a Limited Liablity Company headquartered in Delaware • AiB has also been referred to as `ignite` and `tendermint, inc` • AiB, Inc filed the lawsuit against Grace Yu in the Eastern District of New York Federal Court against Grace Yu. • AiB is being represented by mofo.com • AiB and mofo.com submitted a lawsuit to a Federal court in the Eastern District of New York that contains numerous easily proven factual inaccuracies. • The lawsuit falsely claims that Jacob worked with Grace to unveil Jae Kwon’s folder of Nazi filth from the gno documentation. Jacob did not know Grace at that time, and independently chose to release Jae’s nazi filth to the…

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I would chand the word ‘request’ to ‘demand’, othrr than that, this is a yes with veto for me either way.

thanks! So the thing is that the chain cannot really demand anything from anyone, so it makes sense for it to just be a polite, formal request from the chain, to aib.

Well done…hopefully this gets a unanamous yes

Thank you. I hope that @jaekwon reads this and sees the fully untenable position that he is in.

I fully agree with this prop. The, now live, prop 791 shows mostly the discussion on how the community stands on asking for community funds. I think this prop will show how the Cosmos community stands regarding this ludicris lawsuit. I expect it to get an overwhelmingly YES vote because this lawsuit is harmfull to everyone involved and is very negative for the reputation of Cosmos as a whole.
Everybody favorable to Cosmos wants to develop and grow Cosmos, nobody wants this drama of the lawsuit.
My vote will be: YES.

0xNGMI:

You should be Sued as well

comments like these help me to know that this is the right thing to do.

thank you.

Pookybear:

I fully agree with this prop. The, now live, prop 791 shows mostly the discussion on how the community stands on asking for community funds. I think this prop will show how the Cosmos community stands regarding this ludicris lawsuit. I expect it to get an overwhelmingly YES vote because this lawsuit is harmfull to everyone involved and is very negative for the reputation of Cosmos as a whole.

Thank you for your feedback.

0xNGMI:

making stories that he is a Nazi.

Idk if Jae is a Nazi but I sure do know that he distributes information that aligns with the views of the German National Socialist Party (1921-1945) with respect to Jews, Catholics, and Jesuits. That much is fully certain.

Why dont you make a proposal for Notional to cover all her lawsuit costs ? I will support that

People are tired of the supposed leaders not collaborating with the Founder . The Founder is the smartest mind we have in the ecosystem .

If you dont like him fork off Sir

That is a lie… You were an active Gno contribuitor until u went to Colombia. That was well after 2020

thank you very much sir

0xNGMI:

Intelligence Aseets have no place within the Cosmos Jacob

I love you, too.

Thank you for giving me the courage and motivation to put this here prop up.

791 has less than 12% support Sir. And that is with the very biased votes from Iqlusion, Strangelove and Notional . Meaning 0 organic support

Each days you guys separate yourselfs from the real Cosmos Community. You are losing your power

Hopefully we have a similar result as with Apple in which the founder returns to lead to glory

I would vote yawn on this if I could

0xNGMI:

Hopefully we have a similar result as with Apple in which the founder returns to lead to glory

I hope that’s the case, as well. Jae is a person with incredible talent and I have also seen him be extremely kind. It would surely be glorious to see Jae drop all this hateful stuff and live up to his full potential.

Enough with the governance spamming Jacob. We’ve grown weary. I dislike Jae but this is essentially a rewording of the previous prop without any fund requests. You can’t keep throwing up props every week because people disagree with you. The community needs a break from the drama.

I would also delete the whole nazi substory because it is irrelevant and you mention it every 3 seconds on twitter. It’s coming across as you being obsessive and childish.

Spaceghost:

I would also delete the whole nazi substory because it is irrelevant and you mention it every 3 seconds on twitter. It’s coming across as you being obsessive and childish.

I am aware that there are risks.

0xNGMI:

Zaki has a lot more grace in his interactions as he understands he would not be in his current position without the brains of the Founder.

Zaki is an incredible person, and I think he is great.
Jack is an incredible person, and I think he is great.

They, along with many others, both cast aside “the FoUndEr” and continued to build the vision that they believe in. I am very grateful for everyone that I get the great privilege of working with in Cosmos.

Did you write FoUndEr like that to say F* You Ethan?

Not understanding Sir

Cosmos SDK is easy to Fork. Please fork off and leave the development of this chain to the Co-Founders

@jacobgadikian and @0xNGMI please keep the personal drama that stems from early days out of the forum (and preferably also out of Cosmos as a whole) . The vast majority of Cosmos/$ATOM stakers have no idea nor any interest in it. Please keep the discussion strickly to the contents of the prop. When/if the prop goes live then you can express your opinion by voting.

This is also an un-true statement.

The Founder was cast aside from leading the ICF supposedly because of Conflict of interest between AIB and ICF. Then a hostile takeover attempt ensued

The same Conflicts of interest that now exist with ICF and Ethan sponsored Devshops Informal and Strangelove ( And you via Delgations)

Ah, Pooky, let me share something with you: In the earliest days there was no drama and @jaekwon was a joy to work with. I miss that version of him tons. I hope that he has the kinds of life changes that I did at one point. Here’s muh cosmonaut history: • sometime in 2016: met jae because I was trying to learn about blockchains in Go because I wanted to improve on steemit.com . He spent the better part of a week teaching me tendermint 1:1. It was very kind. • 2017: I had a very serious mental health breakdown and stole a giant truck full of sand in cambodia because I was delusional and I thought that I needed to steal transportation and drive it to china. • 2017.jail: I was in jail a bit • 2017.funnyfarm: The owner of the truck declined to press charges. My family got me to a psychiatrist and eventually to a mental hospital in Buffalo, NY, I was treated with lithium and made a fully recovery from Bipolar I with psychotic features. Like many folks with bipolar, I had no previous history of serious mental health trouble. Other than a really odd sleep schedule, I don’t really experience symptoms anymore. • 2017.rebirth: I started a bitcoin mning services company with folks I…

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Thank you for your open and honest reply. I realy appreciate that. respect

Community members are actively being banned at the new Governance Group you created alongside Grace for saying they like Jae Kwon the Founder of the Cosmos Hub

Imagine that happening in any other ecosystem

0xNGMI:

Community members are actively being banned at the new Governance Group you created alongside Grace for saying they like Jae Kwon the Founder of the Cosmos Hub

no one has been banned for that reason.

Are you backing off from 791?

no, I remain strongly in support of 791 because this proposal is non-binding – hub gov cannot force AiB to drop the lawsuit. So, I support both proposals fully.

Sir reading 791, (I don’t want to sound insensitive), I feel it is an individual case and has nothing to do with the cosmos community. We can argue if AIB was wrong or right, and for instance, we suppose they are wrong doesn’t give us the right to ask the community to fight against them from the community pool.

If we argue that Grace Yu was a whistle-blower and has done favour to the community in the public good. Don’t you think one should be proactive rather than reactive?

Stop with governance SPAM

There is no place for this here.

This is ABUSE!

I’m not sure what you mean, but will not be putting this one on the chain today.

i wonder why you don’t have a discussion in private with jae.

we see that making it public doesn’t work (prop 791 for exemple), we saw it with denis case.

Honestly, community member who voted no or nwv dont care about grace or dont even know her.

This prop have 0 power like the prop censure “all node”.

what i see is that you are the main culpit for this, grace is a “puppet” or “a victim” if you lived in us, you will be the one who get lawsuit ( just my guess).

I think you should review your way to do thing.

just a review of a random community guy

Hey man, that has not been possible because he has cut off all communication with me. I don’t know the guy’s phone number anymore, I’m literally right now reaching out to him in coordination with a number of people, but he does not respond so that makes what you’re suggesting very challenging. I wish to strongly assure you in the strongest possible terms that I think that the situation absolutely is terrible and that I have made numerous, in fact countless attempts to speak to the dude before making this post on this here forum . Thank you very much. let me tell you about the other founder. I mean it’s an ugly show. So guys remember proposal 75 where we strictly defined what the veto means, well, guess what? I am sure that Informal voted yes on that. 20230422_221341~2 750×740 155 KB Long as that veto is up, they just toadies. If this isn’t understood I can’t help that. But something I know for very very sure is that you don’t do a 2 hour long podcast and publicly announced that you’re not doing business with a certain person or company on a matter that is merely spam. twitter.com 4lex_4sh4w @4lex_4sh4w As an outsider, Grace @gyunit_ ‘s…

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Hi @xjupitar seems that you agree with @buchmanster team at Informal.

Sir, the lawsuit is nearly entirely false statements. If you wish for the hub to excel, then I strongly suggest that you help us to make the hub a bastion of truth when fat Gaia makes her court appearance.

G. 🎒

The expansion of the legal attack surface area on the hub by one of Gaia’s own founders is unconscionable.

I talk for myself but i feel like you are making the hub what you don’t want it to be.

i agree with @xjupitar

I see that instead of making ONE strong proposal which should be discuss (2 weeks). People are making proposal, a, b, c.

I vetoed because of the process & more and not about the content.

Also, you say you take prop 791 seriously but you dont take community opinion.

tanned:

i wonder why you don’t have a discussion in private with jae.

He refuses to. I’m blocked by him on twitter, and pending permission from others I will post a screenshot of a chat group that both he and his personal assistant, Carolyn Pherson, have been informed of, containing myself, others cited in the suit, an AADAO member, and Grace Yu.

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The group is requested that I do not provide a screenshot, however, at least one member of the group is happy to describe the situation.

He would like for it to be a safe space to have a proper conversation, and I am willing to bend to that point of view.

@tom @jacobgadikian @xjupitar @0xNGMI I have gone through and flagged various posts as being inappropriate. These posts have been tagged as inappropriate because: • They use derogatory language in association with another person or entity • The alternative to this is explaining from your perspective about why you disagree with someone’s actions by providing context and not assigning an insulting judgement to that person or entity • The posts are threatening in nature • The posts insult another human being In some cases, action has been taken immediately and the posts have been flagged and hidden. In other cases, the posts have been merely flagged, and will be hidden if others also flag it. If you disagree with any of the above, please feel free to send me a message for clarification. Kind reminder that it is possible to talk about traumatic events or events that deeply hurt us with compassion and empathy. It is only in doing so that we will meaningfully improve the situation. Please see the non-violent communication methodology about how you might choose to engage instead. I am recommending this because I believe it can drastically increase the efficacy of…

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trigger warning this post is about to contain content that you may find disturbing: the original gno documentation Hi abra, I’d like specific feedback on this, if you felt that anything I said was inappropriate. I continue to strongly assert that Nazi is the correct word to describe content in line with the views of the German national socialist party. I promise you, I did not bring this topic to bear, and that I will finish it. I will now post each image from the folder of Nazi filth that was put together by Jae Kwon. The nonviolent thing to do when confronted with something very, very bad, distributed in a very, very wrong way, is to put a huge trigger warning on it, and share it so no one is guessing, so that they know. I am aware that this content may make people uncomfortable . That is the point. It ought to. trigger warning: Jae Kwon on Das Juden & Catholics & Jesuits Hidden content 6-dressed-in-scarlet-and-purple-502w-copy 502×496 85.5 KB 1612075227274 439×677 94.1 KB 1612204939982 1056×2880 362 KB 1613150406454 506×668 50.5 KB 1920px-Foro_romano_tempio_Saturno_09feb08_01 1920×1440 467 KB 1613151779320 400×276 61 KB…

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It is okay to be a proceduralist if you want to.

It is also okay to be a Nazi, privately, not harming anyone, just thinking all kinds of wierd hateful thoughts.

When someone begins to use their role as CEO of a large business that kicked off a large blockchain ecosystem to promote these ideas, that is precisely the time it becomes an issue. No one should be surprised by the blowback.

It is not okay to distribute Nazi stuff at work then undermine the hub by fleeing to fiat courts.

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I think that’s actually really smart man, thank you so much!

Also please note that that’s less than one quarter of the Nazi filth folder and I’ll probably be putting the rest of it here shortly. you came up with a great solution sir.

You might be right or wrong.

But you are the only one who is spreading all the time(like spamming).

I was thinking all this lawsuit might be because of this and maybe he dont want to spread it because it bring a bad image.

You are spreading this narrative…i wonder if you really want him to drop the lawsuit…

Second tought : i am wondering if you write in the proposal, that you or notional will not comment (or drop your claim) any further about AIB and jae in the future.
Will it have more impact? than just asking to drop (because he will win nothing from it)

the lawsuit is because some people used to github shared to people not used to github what the CEO of AiB is sharing publicly on github as a forefront of Gno ethos (the antisemitic things) ?

gymnastics have no limits.

pro tip : if you don’t want a bad image of you being spread, don’t be antisemitic.

Message to all => the prop is on chain #793. Discussion here has not much purpose anymore, express your opinion by voting

(btw somehow the title of this topic seems to have changed which is a bit strange and unnescessary now the prop is on chain)

at least one member of the group is happy to describe the situation.

As context, a few days ago a Signal chat was created and Jae was invited to join along with the others named in the AiB lawsuit.

The idea was that without re-opening anything from the past, if each person involved in this situation could simply make a commitment to ‘mutual respect’ as a shared ideal going forward it would be a pathway to everyone escaping from this lose-lose situation.

The parties named in the lawsuit have reassured me of their personal commitment to the value of mutual respect and their willingness to come into the chat and express their commitment to this ideal in writing in Jae’s presence, and are waiting for Jae to reciprocate.

Fyi only Grace was named and the corporation DAO, Zaki, Jack and I were cited. I’ve learned a good deal of legalese on this one.

Pooky,

793 asks AiB to drop the lawsuit. This pending proposal will ask AiB to pay 420.69% of Grace Yu’s legal expenses.

can 796 ask AiB to clap their cheeks in a snoop dog music video?

no thanks, that is really… indeed and truly out of scope. You can feel free to make that governance proposal, and at least, on Notional’s part, we’ll veto it.

Fair enough, agree on the YES option!

Hey there buddy, since you are a yes voter, I want to ask you about something, maybe take a little survey here:

When I wrote this proposal, I put a significant amount of time and to thinking about whether or not to use the word Nazi. I chose to use it because well what else do you call somebody who is deeply against Catholics, Jews, and Jesuits?

But on second thought, I’m thinking that it could just be too strong, in terms of language.

I would really love to get your feedback, and the feedback of the community on that.

I still strongly think that it is the correct thing for AIB to do to pay Grace’s legal fees.